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flipping the rock

Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:03:11 AM PDT

We had an interesting debate last night about how best to fight the Rovean GOP machine in the face of Katrina.  It's a worthwhile read, especially for comments and dicussion which both expanded my own thinking...and pointed up a kind of  consensus:

In the wake of Katrina, Democrats must stand up for justice while delivering fairness.  We must struggle for equality, all the while insisting on equity and the public good.

We need to speak to ideals and innovation, even as we deliver a harsh critique.

Senator Barack Obama's speech today, posted in an overlooked diary that really should have got more attention, exemplifies the positive, idealistic side of those aspirations, and hints at making a change in Washington.  But I think that we need to do something that goes further in attacking the Rove machine...

we need to flip the rock.

Imagine, for a second, that the GOP base is like a broad flat stone.

We Democrats spend all our time trying to break off parts of that stone...chipping away here, chiseling away there...

Our hope is that we can knock enough support away from the GOP to get a majority somehow. But in doing so, we act like we don't want to offend anyone.  So we tiptoe when we do this...as if by being "nice" and "upright"...parts of that stone might just crumble away of their own accord.

Our aspiration is to finally, you know, get a majority somewhere and get something done. Our track record of delivering for our voters, however, is on display for the world to see.

Fuck that, we need a change.

We need to flip the rock.

Conservatism = the rock.

We need to make that rock toxic.  We need to flip it so that lots of pieces break off...and its toxic underside shows.   We need to turn the GOP's greatest strength...it's horde of voters flying the flag of  "conservative values" into its greatest liability.  We need to rebrand conservatism.

Conservatism = New Orleans.

  • Did "big business" save people when they needed help?  
  • Did "free markets" save people when they needed food and water?  
  • Did "tax cuts for the rich" save people when people needed to evacuate?  
  • Did "compassionate conservatism" come to the rescue when people were left stranded?
  • Did "faith based iniatives" come to the rescue when people were trapped in their homes?
  • Did "Homeland Security" come to the rescue while an American city drowned?

There's only one way to defeat Rove, and that is to turn his greatest strength into his greatest liability.  We need to make conservatism toxic.

We can't be nice about it.  We can't try to "trim a little off the sides."  That won't work.  We need to do the hard work and flip the whole fucking thing.

Let's get real.  "Conservative values" like those of Reagan and Bush have been running this country for decades now.

This is what we get.

It links to everything.  To Iraq.  To Roberts.  To race and poverty.  To disaster relief.  To the intrusion of religion into our political and private lives.  To social security.  To energy policy.  To the environment.  To fiscal policy and deficits.  To heartless bankruptcy laws that if left in place would devastate the victims of Katrina.

America is so much better than Bush.

And, yes, while we need to get behind leaders like Senator Barack Obama, who can enunciate the positive side of our message...a broad recommitment to justice, to equity, to fairness, to equality in this country...to making America work for everyone again.

We also need to take on that broad flat, smooth and seamless stone that is conservatism in this country, once and for all.  We need to lift it up and show the toxic underside of "conservative values" that Karl Rove is so intent on hiding behind bogus PR and muddling spin.

We need to flip the rock...

and show all the world the insects that have been writhing and fattening themselves in the dirt beneath.

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  •  As Always... (3.33 / 18)

    Outstanding and well stated commentary.  "Flipping the rock of conservatism." I really like the sound of that.  

    As you indicated (and thanks for the diary plug) Obama understands this like Edwards and a handful of others do.  If we can focus on the positives of that message while tearing apart the BS of the conservative message we should be able to take this country back.

    Conservatism is what has been bringing this country to it's knees ever since Reagan.  It's, to me, a mental disease that needs proper counseling and possibly even medication.  (Though right off hand the only med I can think of would involve large stone objects making contact with brain tissue.)

    We've just got to make the rest of the Democrats in congress understand this clearly.

    •  the diary is excellent (2.80 / 5)

      this comment is not:

      It's, to me, a mental disease that needs proper counseling and possibly even medication.  (Though right off hand the only med I can think of would involve large stone objects making contact with brain tissue.)

      It looked like a good idea for me to clarify that.

      In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

      by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:01:52 PM PDT

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      •  Well... (4.00 / 5)

        I agree it may be read as rather harsh.  Of course I don't condone violence against these people no matter how bad we may want to.  However, I still believe that the people under the spell of "conservatism" have some serious issues that need to be dealt with.  Whether that's through soul searching or psychologists, I of course couldn't say.
        •  "gonna smash their brains in (none / 0)

          cuz they ain't got nothing in them"

          /linton kwesie johnson

          we'll stand him up against a wall and pop goes the weasel /rufus t. firefly

          by 2nd balcony on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:16:11 PM PDT

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        •  Violence? (2.18 / 11)

          These bastards have killed thousands.

          Fuck em.

          A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

          by ThunderHawk13 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:29:08 PM PDT

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          •  Considering... (4.00 / 2)

            ...I've just gotten my first 1 and 2 ratings EVER for my comment, I would say that a few don't agree with you.

            Then again I haven't been around that long so I imagine it was just a matter of time.

          •  And therein (4.00 / 4)

            lies the problem for liberals...doling out "1s" for statement of the brutal truth.

            Again, I ask, how much blood is on the Rovian GOP's hands?  A river's worth?  A sea?  An ocean?

            A Gulf?

            You think the Rovians wouldn't hesitate to off anyone here if it would advance their cause?

            The first step towards dealing with these demons is understanding what you're up against.

            I'm not advocating violence.  I'm just alerting you to the nature of your enemy.

            You're dealing with people who revel in death and gore, as long as its not photographed.

            Go ahead.  Try to prove me wrong.

            A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

            by ThunderHawk13 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:05:20 PM PDT

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            •  No (3.85 / 7)

              what you're doing is putting you adolescent fantasies at the top of a discussion that is so much better than that.

              Your saying..."hey folks look at me."

              My rating stands.

              •  FWIW (none / 1)

                I loved your diary.  The proper words always just seem to flow from you effortlessly and I envy that ability.

                BUT -- I didn't see the poster's comment as an attempt to hijack the quality of the discussion you began.

                "Fuck that, we need a change.  We need to flip the rock...and show all the world the insects that have been writhing and fattening themselves in the dirt beneath."

                The image of chipping away at the rock versus flipping it completely over all at once doesn't exactly summon a passive and gentle approach to my mind.  

                And besides, many of us have had our moments of "hey folks look at me." in the past -- haven't we?

            •  you know you are right (none / 0)

              ....the people who go green at the suggestion of a fight, whether bloody or just bloody verbaly are living in wonderland.

              They have no conception of the kind of people they are up against in this adm.

              I can understand their horror at violence..but I can't see the virtue in holding myself to be above it while I ask 20 year olds to go off to be killed and or assume the moral burden of  killing other humans and having to live with it for the rest of their lives.

              We protest people dying and killing for no good reason..but we pale at the suggestion that we should ever use our own violence to stop the people responsible for it?

              Violence is always the last resort for me, I would starve them out by withholding my taxes....but I have never read of or heard of any despot or dictator of evil King handing over his rule unless he was violently overwhelmed.

              Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

              by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 03:59:51 PM PDT

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              •  bullshit (none / 0)

                ....the people who go green at the suggestion of a fight, whether bloody or just bloody verbaly are living in wonderland.

                Fucking bullshit. You want to distinguish between a "fight" and "violence" here. Because I'll fight you fuckers on this blog right now. But I sure won't call for anybody to club you or throw rocks at your fucking head.

                You guys need to settle down and same goes for the fool that gave me the one. He must be off his medicine.

                In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 04:10:57 PM PDT

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                •  obviously you have an emotional problem (none / 0)


                  ..you reply makes no sense and doesn't address anything I said.

                  ..or are you so fruitcake you don't know the difference between a fight and just senseless violence?

                  ..you seems overly concerned with your "ratings"...from us "fuckers" and "fools"

                  ..get a grip on yourself.

                  Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

                  by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:00:14 PM PDT

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                  •  We can't fix our political problems with violence (none / 0)

                    I don't believe that.

                    But looking closer at your comment I see that I was still responding to Zergle's original comment. And it was an emotional outburst. Sorry.

                    In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                    by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:20:16 PM PDT

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                    •  you're forgiven...lol (none / 0)

                      ..but I am curious..and not "Advocating" violence....when I ask...what do you propose as a solution if nothing about democracy works to stop this road to facism and militarism? Bear in mind that these folks are using our own tools of democracy in a dishonest manner against us..that is how they have been able to do what they have done so far.

                      Historicaly speaking, these type regimes once fully installed, have never been put down except by either outside military intervention from another state or popular domestic uprising.

                      Again I am only asking...what your plan or solution is..if nothing else, like elections and various type of protest, don't work...because they don't seem to be working..or at least not fast enough.

                      As I said I advocate starving them out by withholding taxes as the the best step in civil protest...if millions of people used the filing extension and paid their homage late it would send a huge message to the our kings and princes in DC.

                      Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

                      by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:11:52 PM PDT

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                      •  I guess I don't think we are actually *that* close (none / 0)

                        to Fascism. Although I know buscho is fascist at heart. I guess I'm still holding out hope. We still do have free speech. I know FOX and CNN and crap have us drowned out, but we can still freely have discussions like this and freely be involved in politics.

                        America is large and diverse. I think of it more like the Roman Empire than say Nazi Germany. I think it will be difficult for them to exercise complete control over the populace.

                        However, our prosperity may be in serious decline, we may be attacked by our enemies (or even new ones) because bushco is just a bunch of incompetent cronies.

                        I do believe in self-defense. If we're attacked, I think Americans will join the army and fight, and be violent, absolutely. We might be defeated.

                        I just can't see us becoming an insurgency. If it broke down that bad, all bets are off, that's for sure. When it's just survival, it's just survival. Bushco sucks, we have to stop them. But they have all the firepower. We have to turn the other cheek, so to speak. That's what I believe. And thanks for asking.

                        In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                        by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:33:35 PM PDT

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                        •  well, I hope you are right (none / 1)

                          ..but because I am old..well, not on my last leg old, but old enough to have seen a large share the world of politics and business and society.....I feel we might be closer than we think....

                          I am not promoting my diary, I don't post much because I find most everything has already been said, but you might want to read this excerpt from a book that contains a real lesson about how easily normal people can slip into ignoring warning signs..

                          http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/41944/27762

                          Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

                          by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:27:44 PM PDT

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                      •  Withholding taxes is a good protest idea (none / 0)

                        But getting the millions of people to participate might be tough, nowadays anyway, it could change in the future.

                        I agree protests have not been working. But I think boycotts have not been working either.

                        In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                        by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:47:02 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't think you were advcating violence. (none / 0)

          Granted, the imagery was a little harsh. I could, however, see how the proverbial "whack on the side of the head" might be ineffective with these types.

          I understand the concern that we should not be advocating violence--but I really didn't think that was the case.

          Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

          by homogenius on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:54:05 PM PDT

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          •  that language (none / 0)

            made me think of a group of men throwing stones at the head of a "prostitute" because she had sex before marriage.

            Outrageously violent language. I had to go for a walk after I read it, and I appreciatte Zergle's response.

            In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

            by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:08:19 PM PDT

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      •  I took that as satirical (4.00 / 2)

        maybe not in the best of taste, but hey. It isn't as though the guy cracked a drinking joke at the scene of a disaster.

        http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/20050902-8.html

  •  Way to go, KO! (none / 0)

    Flip that rock and KO the repugs.
    •  agreed (4.00 / 4)

      a very good diary this weekend detailed why this cannot be just about Bush, who is afterall a symptom of the problem.

      i'd like us to go ahead & fight for our priciples & not just for our people.

      we believe in a government that does not interfere with the private lives of it's people but one that is adequately trained & prepared to carry out it's duties for the betterment of society.

      a government that "we can drown in a bath-tub" will not only NOT protect us from natural & man-made disasters, but such an anemic government will not provide the economic security we need to reach our potentials as individuals & as a society.

  •  Katrina flipped the rock (4.00 / 14)

    we need to point to all the creatures scurrying for cover.  The Republican's poorly hidden racism that Katrina has exposed cannot be ignored any longer.  

    More to your point, wherever Republicans have power, they cause damage.  Since they have so many media outlets with which to distort reality, they have mostly escaped the blame.  

    The disaster on 9/11 was contained and really required little or no federal intervention.  Bush and his handlers had time to plot the response to the public relations disaster without hurting anyone.  And they did a great job at that.  Now they have even started plotting to respond to the public relations disaster late, and so the facade has slipped.

    This is our opportunity to save our country.

    •  Katrina flipped the rock (none / 0)

      we need to point to all the creatures scurrying for cover

      Not sure I want to see some of what's under that rock, but by all means, flip away, and smash with large hammers too!

    •  Katrina flipped the rock, but... (none / 0)

      we need to shine some light on the underside before they manage to flip it back over and hide...I'm not sure how, but it needs to be a concentrated effort, with everyone channeling the focus on the same thing(s)at the same time...  
      •  For a start... (none / 0)

        help the photographers, give them tips, close ranks after they pass through when they're being chased by undesirables, you know... support freedom.

        -- We are just regular people informed on issues

        by mike101 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:03:11 AM PDT

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      •  One way to do it (4.00 / 2)

        could also include addressing this whole nonsensical blame game issue... frame who is really playing politics. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, should be outraged by the slow federal response to Katrina. Clearly it's in the interest of all Americans to have a properly functioning DHS, and obviously the Bush Admin's creation is not working.

        The Democratic leadership is standing up against this national disgrace. If the Republicans are silent about this, then they are the ones playing politics... they reserve their criticism of the Bush admin's failures to protect their party, not American citizens.

        Where would we be right now without the internet?

        by johnny71 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:49:18 PM PDT

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    •  Katrina <i>tipped<i> the rock (4.00 / 4)

      Even Katrina couldn't lift and flip this thing. It did as much as anything ever before to raise it a bit and to show a fraction of what is under there. We need to make sure to finish the job.

      I am not sure how, but I think a good place to start would be to shine the spotlight on the estate tax battle brewing, CYA mode at the White House, FEMA's efforts to hinder citizens and organizations trying to help in the rescue and recovery missions. But how? How do we make sure Rove doesn't get the media back in line. They are starting already.

      The only thing I can think of is to target OUR politicians. They need to understand that either they get out their flashlights and levers, or we consider them as part of the "under the rock ecosystem."

      •  Our only hook into the media... (none / 0)

        is money. Contact company presidents or CEO's of those who advertise on channels that fall back into line, tell them you are not buying their brand of X, tell them why. Then don't buy X, buy from another manufacturer.
        Funds-reduction can change behavior.

        -- We are just regular people informed on issues

        by mike101 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:12:17 AM PDT

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        •  The Media Rock Needs Flipping Too (4.00 / 15)


          While it was all very well and good to see a few individual reporters suddenly finding their spines floating in the streets of New Orleans, business as usual for the mainstream media organizations seems to be returning quickly.

          NBC is still GE.

          ABC is still Disney.

          CBS is still Viacom.

          CNN is still Time-Warner.

          Fox is still Rupert Murdoch.

          Cokie Roberts is still the right wing whore who took down Douglas Ginsburg for one joint but couldn't be bothered to do any substantive reporting on George Bush's years of serious cocaine abuse.

          All of them continue to blandly pass along lies told by the Administration, all them continue to benefit financially from corporate deregulation, the economics of war, the end of the estate tax, the privatization of the public sector, and a consistent pattern and practice of failure to disclose corporate interests in the course of reporting on topics touching on those interests.

          Big Media is the action arm of conservatism and needs to be seen as such. It's time to put the same attention that has gone into documenting the conflicts of interest of various political players toward the task of documenting the conflicts of interest of the mainstream media shills and corporate structures that have given unobstructed broadcast to the lies for so long.

          •  Probably the most important comment on this (4.00 / 9)

            thread, here.

            The Greenskeeper is on to something, and it is something that KO may have overlooked in this.

            We have to do much more than flip the rock that is conservatism, we have to flip the rock that is corporatism. There is a pretty big difference mainly relating to the pushback we would get in flipping said rock.

            If we flip the Conservative Rock, we get to look at Dobson, Falwell, Norquist, Perle, and their type; it is a good start and might win us an election, but it falls quite short of what is necessary for real change. We have to flip the rock that exposes major corporations as the drivers of this conservative wave that we have been drowning in. We have to not only flip the rock that makes Conservatives scurry for cover, but we need to flip that rock that makes the Lobbyists, CEOs and other plutocrats scurry and run, and that is going to be quite uncomfortable for many powerful Democrats.

            I am afraid that there is nothing that is going to happen from within the Democratic party to stop the wholesale theft of our country and our future by what lies under that Corporate Rock.

            Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal. Drop by and support the Human Agenda

            by k9disc on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:04:08 PM PDT

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            •  Correctomundo, (4.00 / 3)

              and the importance of this statement cannot be overemphasized.  The Corporate Media, the Whore Media, is the most powerful enemy of this withering democracy.  Before the anything can be accomplished in saving this country, the Corporate Media must be reformed or destroyed.

              It's great to be a Republican these days - nobody expects you to be smart, competent or honest.

              by yellowdog52 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:15:18 PM PDT

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            •  The Bad News is The Good News (none / 1)


              While my post above focussed on corporate power in the media, it's also worth noting that the loss of the Port of New Orleans has major implications for trans-national corporations with global supply chains, specialized subcontracting, and just-in-time delivery of various components and services in the process.

              The Katrina disruption shows the fragility and lack of redundancy that has been a key part of the "lean and mean" corporate structure touted by Rumsfeld at the Pentagon and a great many manufacturers in the private sector.

              It now becomes clear that, far from creating value, this re-engineering has stripped all of the functional reserves out of the system. The value created was nothing more or less than the profit realized from selling inventories.

              But those functional reserves and inventories are the essential margin for bad times.

              The bottom line is that this is a moment of tremendous weakness for sociopathic politicians, predatory corporations, and lapdog journalists. At such moments of weakness, the best policy is to assault the soft tissue and the gaps in their armor mercilessly and without remorse, in precisely the same manner that they have pressed their agenda since 1980.

      •  Rebrand Republicans (4.00 / 6)

        "Conservatism" is a shorthand for virtue in current political discourse, just as "liberalism" has been poisoned.  Rather than fight that uphill battle, there may be an easier way.

        Republicans aren't "conservative."  Republicans are selfish.  Republicans are greedy.  Republicans are irresponsible.  Republicans are careless with human lives.  Republicans are un-Christian.

        Conservatism has some admirable traits:  fiscal responsibility, stability, respect for traditions that work.  It would be much easier in today's Rove-DeLay political world to demonize Republicans directly than to attempt to flip the public's thinking about such abstract concepts as "conservative" and "liberal."  Such an attack is much more to the point, as well:  it's directed at the true malefactors.

        Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

        by Dallasdoc on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:46:14 AM PDT

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        •  the conservative movment (4.00 / 11)

          made a deal with the devil.

          The endorsed the "Southern Strategy" and "Enron-style croneyism" instead of living up to their own principles.

          My uncle was CEO of a large company and a conservative, he fought for people...he tried to live up to his end of the social contract out of his deep beliefs.  I disagreed with him, but respected him.  (Ironically, he was good friends with Dick Lugar.)

          Point me to a true conservative who can get something done in this country.  There isn't one.  They sold their souls a long time ago.

          Conservatism = New Orleans.

          •  We agree on conservatism (4.00 / 3)

            True conservatives can't be Republicans in today's climate.  Those who call themselves conservatives don't know what the term means, historically, and wouldn't know Edmund Burke if you threw his books at them.

            But in the battle for votes and minds, it's important to pick the fights you can win.  We have a precious, tragic opportunity now to demonize the Republican party.  If we confuse the issue by painting the failings of the Katrina response as consequences of "conservatism" rather than the Republican regime, we will be much less likely to succeed in peoples' minds, IMO.

            Wonderful diary as always, though, KO.  It's always a rare treat to read your thoughts.

            Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

            by Dallasdoc on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:06:40 PM PDT

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            •  No, we don't agree (none / 0)

              conservatism sold its soul.

              True conservatives can't be conservatives anymore.

              This isn't about partisanship.  It's about ideology.

              Lift up the rock and flip it over....there's just a writing mass of profiteers.

              •  Robber Barons + KKK + bad religion (none / 0)

                That's who today's real conservatives are - and I see an fugly common thread: white, male, chauvinistic bigots, terrified beyond belief of losing their power and will do anything it takes - including ethnic cleansing or whatever you want to call this coordinated, murderous, dereliction of duty and betrayal of the public trust. Makes for some nasty underbellybugs.

                -7.25,-6.92 "Now that we can do anything, what will we do?"

                by emmeke on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:13:44 PM PDT

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              •  another cool typo (none / 0)

                i've been noticing (and making) these strangely appropriate errors in writing about politics recently. Probably meant "writhing mass" but a "writing mass of profitters" is pretty darn accurate itself.

                "We have found the weapons of mass destruction" -- George Bush, May 30, 2003

                by awol on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 08:16:15 PM PDT

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        •  Rebranding the GOP as the GIP (none / 1)

          That's short for the Greed & Incompetence Party.
        •  Rebrand these Republicans INCOMPETENT (4.00 / 3)

          There are a lot of good people who have thought of themselves as "conservatives" for decades.

          They still think of themselves that way because they have that as their affinity -- after all, they still think of it as only a "liberal vs conservative" alternative, like two teams playing in the SuperBowl, with a view of "liberals" from the 1960s. But also, they are conservative in the true sense of the word -- cautious, fiscally prudent, slow to change, not gambling everything on a radical restructuring bet.

          There are a lot of good people who have been Republicans for a long time, too, and who have that affinity. Even "conservative Republicans." That wasn't always a code-word for "racist, Christian Taliban."  

          But what has happened is that the Republican Party AND the "conservative" label have been stolen by people who are not the least conservative. There's nothing cautious, or fiscally prudent about the neocons. We've seen more failed gambles and destructive change in the last 5 years than any time since the Roaring Twenties collapsed into the Great Depression.

          What we must start is a National Dialogue about about competence, and then take it right into the INcompetence that has resulted from (1) truly radical restructuring that is based on wishful thinking, instead of reality, (2) the cronyism and corruption that the Republicans have installed throughout our government, and (3) the looting of the treasury and infrastructure in the name of the tax-cut jihad.

          I think that just about every thinking American can agree that America needs more than anything else right now is competence from its government.

          We can't go on like this. This isn't a "game" and it sure as hell isn't football, where after you screw up, you go back to the huddle or call a time out and figure out what to do while your opponents stand around waiting.

          You aren't going to get competent management if the people you put into place have no experience except working on a political campaign or fundraising. You're not going to have competent staff if you fire or force out everyone who tells you the truth, rather than "yes sir, everything in the world is just as you want it to be."

          And there is NO POSSIBILITY of this getting better without first recognizing that there is a problem. No one can ever learn from their mistakes unless they first admit they made mistakes!

          The Bush Administration is in denial that there even is a problem. A large portion of the American people can see that we have a BIG problem, and more and more of them will come to see it as the real cost of Katrina continues to impact them and really sink in.

          Here's the thing -- there are people out there who can be reached, but we must find a way to draw the circle around them to make them part of "us," the American people who actually give a shit about having a country to leave to our children that hasn't been mismanaged and looted into oblivion.

          America will never again be the land of the free... Until she again becomes the home of the brave.

          by Ducktape on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:17:43 PM PDT

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          •  The list is endless... (none / 1)

            Incompetent
            Corrupt
            Dishonest
            Theiving
            Authoritarian

            So many opportunities to hurl stones, and so many rich and easy targets to hit.

            Demonize the Republican party.  It deserves to die, after what it's become and what it's doing to this country.

            Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

            by Dallasdoc on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:23:20 PM PDT

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          •  Competence (none / 0)

            I think this is very, very important.  This is an issue that anyone can get behind.

            George W Bush hires incompetents.  (Got a pithier, smarter, catchier version of that?  Anyone?)   Pure cronyism.

            How safe do you feel, knowing that Bush appoints incompetent people and puts our national security in their hands?  (George W Bush puts our security in the hands of incompetents.) That he hands out high ranking appointments to his political allies, no matter if they are qualified?  Look at today's diary on the Bush advisor speaking about counterterrorism.

            Kid Oakland, I think your larger plan.. the timing is off...  People haven't come to terms with the magnitude of this disaster yet, and as they do, some of what you're saying may resonate.  It's going to be hard for people to talk about race, and poverty.  They don't want to think about it, or talk about it, or see it on the front pages of the papers, or see it on TV.

            Why is the corporate broadcast media always, always frantically searching for "good news" items no matter how dire the situation, just people don't have to be painfully confronted by what's wrong with America?  It's going to be hard for them to see the US accept international aid.  It's going to be very, very hard to realize how many people we've lost.  

            I think at this point we news junkies are so far ahead of the news cycle that we're also well into the anger phase, and we don't recognize that most of the country seriously has no idea just how bad this was, and are probably turning off the news in the hopes it'll go away and we'll be back to business as usual.  They don't know that it won't just go away for a long, long time.  

            People are gonna be good and mad about this, but not quite yet.  I hear that worthless SOB Bill O'Reilly was yelling and hollering on his show about the foreign countries who offered to send us aid, and mocking all their offers.  At the end of the day, he's embarrassed about our country accepting foreign aid, and he could scream until his head exploded (would that it were) but it's still Bush who got us to the point where we had to.  

            •  the current government (none / 0)

              "the current government is corrupt and incompetent."

              stronger way to frame it.  the other night we were talking about forget george bush in another KO diary.  i clarified it to forget george bush as a target, he's now a club to beat up on the rest of the GOP.

              right now they're got the whole reactionary punditocracy out there trying to do some rhetorical judo and claim that new orleans proves that you can't trust government, strengthening their "drown it in the bathtub" position.

              BS.  turn that right back around into "no it only proves you can't trust this government."  don't just say bush.  it's now a given that W is corrupt and incompetent, so start from that position.  then rope the rest of the GOP onto the raft and drown it in lake pontchartrain.

              l'audace! l'audace! toujours l'audace!

              by zeke L on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:33:27 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (none / 0)

        However, we need to act quickly in order to make our point. Rove et al. are already on the air passing blame to anyone and everyone not part of the white house.

        On the talk shows this weekend, every Dem needs to talk about how conservatism as an ideology affected people in the deep south. How because of the basic tenants of the current incarnation of the Republican party, people died. Culture of life, my ass.

    •  Let's not forget (none / 0)

      that Clinton's federal agencies were still largely intact when 9/11 occurred.
    •  C = I (none / 0)

      Conservatism = Incompetence

      Go back and re-read 'The Peter Principle'!

    •  Katrina tipped the rock up. (none / 0)

      We supply the leverage to flip that bitch.

      Barbara Jordan = the anti Pelosi

      by Ghost of Frank Zappa on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 02:08:39 PM PDT

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  •  Republicans/Conservatives are the ENEMY (4.00 / 9)

    They need to be painted as the enemy of the American people -

    is it unfair? simplistic? shrill? - who cares, now is not the time.

    They are the enemy of the poor.
    They are the enemy of the environment.
    They are the enemy of women.
    They are the enemy of education.
    They are the enemy of working people
    They are the enemy of the sick/uninsured/underinsured.
    They are the enemy of the middle class.
    They are the enemy of freedom.
    They are the enemy of privacy.
    They are the enemy of equality - the enemy of equal opportunity economically, and equal access to education/healthcare, and equal participation in gov't.

    •  Part of Rove's genius seems... (none / 1)

      to be that he includes a simple, short, semi-plausible reason that seems to back up his assertions- they do this... they are the enemy; they are the enemy... they do that.
      A plausible bridge between some pre-existing thought and your assertion.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:20:46 AM PDT

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      •  Remove the Enemy (none / 0)

        Yes, if we can draft a slogan that resounds with solidarity, it will go far in flipping the rock. Because we are complex thinkers who live in the world of nuance, it is difficult to rally behind any ne slogan. The price we pay is that we come off as a disorganized group people who do not know what we want.

        I imagine a T-shirt with those preceding enemy quotes on the front and this on the back:

        Remove the Enemy. Remove Bush. (Side note: while I agree that Bush is a symptom of the problem as noted above, he is the consummate symbol of the problem. He is the PARAGON of the repubs. DeLay says disaster relief is a "bottom-up" system. I say accountability is a "top-down" priority.)

        Fuck them. Let's go for the jugular. I am fed up with niceties. Niceties are fine when the country's problems revolve around tax laws and differing ideologies. But when thousands of people are abandoned to their deaths, niceties go out the fucking window. March on Washington, Sept 24th. It is time to get angry. It is time to remove the enemy among us.

  •  Great post! (none / 0)

    Outstanding...and recommended!
  •  Expose the psychopathology of those in power: (none / 1)

    psy·cho·path  

        A person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.

    All behold the tamed Maverick, at his master's feet.

    by coigue on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:35:01 AM PDT

  •  I just added the (none / 0)

    definition, because I am trying to find the right word...it's bigger than racism, it's not quite nilism (sp?)...anyway...suggestions welcome.

    All behold the tamed Maverick, at his master's feet.

    by coigue on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 10:40:26 AM PDT

  •  by making conservatism toxic (4.00 / 5)

    do you mean convince some of today's conservatives to change their philosophy or do you mean keeping a non-conservative from becoming a conservative?

    making conservatism toxic could possibly keep a non-conservative from becoming a conservative, but there's not a lot of hope for those already in the conservative camp.  Those people already in the conservative camp are delighted by their "toxic" philosophy.  Like cockroaches, they can actually thrive and multiply in a toxic environment.

        * Did big business save people when they need help?  today's conservative would say the right people were helped.

        * Did "free markets" save people when they needed help?  today's conservative would say the right people were helped.

        * Did tax cuts for the rich save people when people needed help?  today's conservative would say the right people were helped.

        * Did "compassionate conservatism" come to the rescue when people needed help?"    Ok, here even today's conservative would probably admit that the phrase compassionate conservatism is COMPLETE BULLSHIT - but they woul add 'so fucking what'.

    Maybe there are only 35% or so of the population that are so ignorantevil that they'll actually support today's conservative politics.  But with 35% and diebold they present a formidable barrier to political enlightment.

    it's the problem of that 35% and diebold that must be addressed.  Full-scale war.  First we attack their philosophy with rational arguments in all public forums (we are doing that quite well these days, thanks to the blogoshere).  Second, we Take To The Streets.  There's nothing like having hundreds of thousands of pissed off citizens in the streets to pound home a point.

    Third, and most important, we do everything necessary to restore integrity to the electoral process.  All votes counted and verified.  No republican control of the tabulation process.  Call me naive, but I can't bring myself to believe those bastards could ever win a legitmate election in this country.

    So, I'm not sure if I'm agreeing or disagreeing with your main point, but hopefully we are on the same page.  Politeness won't get it done.

    •  I think you're half right... (4.00 / 3)

      The rich, selfish, wall-street-type conservatives will say "so what?" to this.  But that's OKAY - those "conservatives" (neo-cons, actually), are the true Bush constituency, the ones who truly benefit from Republican policies.  I say the heck with them - with a few individual exceptions (they used to call 'em class traitors, didn't they?) they've never been on our side, and never will be.

      What we have to do is convince the people who have been suckered in by conservatism because they think it stands for what they stand for - the people who believe in "strong families" and "life" and God, mom, apple pie, and America. Many of those people have been propagandized into believing that the "threat" to strong families is feminists and gays, not low wages and poverty and greedy corporations; that the party of "life" is the one that "cares" about stem cells, but not about people who perish when levees aren't repaired and FEMA is gutted; the wage slaves who've been convinced that "tax cuts" will help them. The one's who've been convinced that "liberals" are bad because they eat sushi instead of apple pie.  And other sundry nonsense, courtesy of decades of propaganda.

      THESE are the people for whom conservatism must be made toxic. Conservatives?  They're the ones who are destroying American jobs and families with their corporate greed!  The ones who refuse to pay taxes, because they care more about their trust funds than about keeping America strong! The ones who obviously despise America's children, because they won't let them have good educations and health care! The ones who let helpless people die, because they only care about money, unlike the rest of us! The ones who would feed your family pesticides in their apple pie! Etc. Others can work out the exact rhetoric, but you get my point.

      Forget the people who actually benefit from Republicanism; try to win back the people who don't MEAN to be on the side of evil, but who (currently) just don't get it.  You won't convince 'em all, but you may win some back, and you may win more in the next generations.

      And yes, you're totally right about voting machines....so I guess that means we're in 2/3 agreement!

      It is no worse, because I write of it. It would be no better, if I stopped my most unwilling hand.

      by ChaosMouse on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:40:48 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for (none / 1)

        the reasonable and articulate response to my somewhat emotional post.  Despite my rhetoric I'm very much aware that there are good conservatives out there.  My parents, for example.

        What I find so discouraging is the fact that in poll after poll, about 35% of the population are supportive of absolutley indefensible political positions.  They seem much more concerned about supporting their "team" than in taking a principled position.  Which of our kossack leaders coined the phrase about flying the elephant over the red white and blue?  Whoever said it hit a grand slam.

        Anyhow, thanks for your response, and here's hoping we can get a few good conservatives to open up their minds.  I'll keep working on the parents.

        •  You're welcome (4.00 / 2)

          One more point -

          You're right about supporting the "team."  It may be hard to get people to "switch teams," especially if they've invested too much identity in the process - if for no other reason than people don't like to admit they're wrong, or that they've been suckered.

          My answer to that it, sometimes half a loaf is better than none, and you have to think long-term.  People who are getting disillusioned with "thier" party, but who can't bear to admit they were wrong, might be convinced to "not get around to" voting this year, or maybe convinced to vote for one member of the "opposite team" on a ballot.  Maybe the one person in a Republican family who has doubts or weak committment for the "home team" will come around (and I think the internet and Air America can help those people especially). Maybe some of their kids will switch teams, or decide not to buy into the team quite as strongly...etc....

          It's a long-term process.

          It is no worse, because I write of it. It would be no better, if I stopped my most unwilling hand.

          by ChaosMouse on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:22:40 PM PDT

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      •  Wish I could rate this comment a 6 n/t (none / 0)

        Do not give in charity that which is owed in justice.

        by 5oclockshadow on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:45:25 PM PDT

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  •  where's the lever? (3.66 / 3)

    and where's the fulcrum?

    as soon as we get those placed, we can flip that rock

    •  asdf (none / 1)

      The fulcrum is a tenacious by the democratic minority leaders (ie. Reid and Pelosi today) and the lucid press (Anderson Cooper).

      The lever(s) are the first-hand accounts of the squalor of the Superdome and convention center. Add to that all the repressive actions of law enforcement officers on the scene (though don't forget there are many LEOs doing their jobs correctly).

      The final wedge may be the death toll, but I expect this number to be less than it actually is. My personal gut feeling is around 15,000. Probably more.

      The american public is a big part of the equation, but I'm not sure where they fit and how.

      War is young men killing other young men they do not know on the orders of old men who know one another too well.
      - Erwin Kowalke

      by jrm78 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:21:46 AM PDT

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    •  Fulcrum on way (lever attached) (none / 0)

      Fulcrum is money and the lever is exposure through publicity.

      -- We are just regular people informed on issues

      by mike101 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:27:14 AM PDT

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  •  Okay, but the answer to (4.00 / 5)

    Did "faith based iniatives" come to the rescue when people needed help?
    Must be "yes."

    Not the full measure of help that was needed, but certainly not to be dismissed.  But it should have been a complement to, not a replacement for, a coordinated federal relief effort.

    America began begins with freedom from King George's empire.

    by bribri on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:04:45 AM PDT

  •  once again--- (none / 0)

    great commentary and certainly recommended.

    Interesting aside, the diary was already on the recommended list despite me not having seen it come up and it was within the same minute as it was posted.

    A testament to your writing.  Once again, thx KO...

  •  Conservatives? (4.00 / 4)

    I don't know that we should be calling them "conservatives".

    They're much more radical than that.

    Being Canadian, I always relate "conservative" more to the British parliamentary type of thing.  That type of conservative is more about preserving the status quo, not radicalism.

    Some types of fiscal conservatism, such as not running up massive deficits, could actually be considered to be a good thing.

    On the other hand, it's politically difficult to call them for what they really are - "fascists".

    •  Conservatives conserve (4.00 / 7)

      Bush&Co are REGRESSIVES. They want to take us back to feudalism. They stand for wiping out centuries of progress,along with whatever and whoever stands in their way. It's long, LONG past the time of playing nice, playing fair, or "reaching out" to them.

      These folk think the apocalypse is a Good Thing.
      That pretty much sums them up.

      Al Qeada is a faith-based initiative.

      by drewfromct on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:24:08 AM PDT

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      •  Traditionalist (4.00 / 2)

        is the bullshit term O'Reilly calls himself. Ah, the good old days - "gee, my old LaSalle ran great and we could sure use a man like Herbert Hoover again."

        An American mythological past that's held up as the social balm for today's messy realities "if only people would be conservative and Republican."
        -----------------------------------

        •  If Spike Lee was Irish, (none / 0)

          He'd be calling oRiley a sellout motherfucker. I lost 5 bucks on him, saying he'd show a vague shred of decency before Hannity did. I was foolish enough to think that, because oRiley is supposed to be a mick, WRONG! oReily is not Irish, he's white.
          (That was not my usual poor spelling, its deliberate.)

          "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" -Roddy Piper

          by McGirk SF on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:50:36 PM PDT

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          •  there's a grand tradition (none / 0)

            of pissing on the next batch off the boat. google "workingman's party" or "draft riots" if you want to see what irish americans are capable of when they forget their empathy for people in their ancestors' situation.

            surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

            by wu ming on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:42:30 PM PDT

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            •  I hear you (none / 0)

              I think there is some general misinterpetation of the Irish opposition to conscription in the civil war. Ireland has 3000 years of written history, in that time we have never left our own country to conquer another. Conscription is probably the only thing the British didn't do to us.  (Think Bravehart) Irish had prior to this been quite amicable to blacks, and that realy scared the WASPS. The whole concept of white people having normal conversations with blacks would lead to problems: ie we might teach them to read. Whitey was scared enough of blacks and Indians, with the Irish now here, along with 600 years of animosity, they were in deep shit.
              So anyways, the Irish problem with the cival war was the general premis that it was compleatly wrong to leave the place where you live to attack others in thier backyard. That simply wasn't done. Unfortunatly they vented thier anger in the wrong way. The WASPS activly promoted this split between blacks and Irish, because if they had teamed up, the streets would be awash with (blue) blood. Paybacks a bitch they've been dodging for a long ass time.

              "Just when they think they know the answer, I change the question!" -Roddy Piper

              by McGirk SF on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:36:06 PM PDT

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    •  They answer to "conservatives" (4.00 / 4)

        And if the label of "conservative" becomes too hot to handle, they can't really take refuge under "fascist", can they?  Everybody's against "fascism"; it's much too easy to take aim at that.  Going against conservatism, though, is a tougher task -- and more rewarding.  
        Back in the early '40s, liberalism was a good thing; everyone wanted to be liberal, even the conservatives.  Then the conservatives engaged in a concerted effort to make liberal a smear-word, and by 1980 even real liberals were trying to avoid the word outside of their own safe-zones.  Look at John Kerry: did he ever say "Yes, I'm a liberal, and I'm proud of it, because it's right"?  No, he told us that "labels don't matter".
         Actually, they do.  And we need to make that conservatism label matter -- and not in a good way.  Conservatives have always been able to claim that the Congress was liberal, or the President was liberal, or the Court was liberal, or the media was liberal, and they just couldn't get their way despite "the country" supposedly supporting them.  Well, now we've had Compleat Conservative domination of America for years now: conservative-dominated President, Congress, Supreme Court and media.  They can't attack "the government" any more because they are the government.  They're the Princes of the Puzzle Palaces on the Potomac.  And they have to take responsibility, whether they accept it or it is hung around their necks like the proverbial albatross.
      •  I guess my point is (none / 1)

        We need to completely eliminate the fascists/regressives/whatever you call it.  You know, those guys that are behind the machine that put Bush in power.  You know, the guys that came out of the Nixon white house, the neocons.

        We can't just leave 10% of those guys in power.  They need to be run out of office, and completely discredited.  We will have won when the Republican party doesn't even want to be associated with them.

        This country is set up as a two party system.  There will always be a left and a right.

        Let's say that the Democrats win the next presidential election because the blowback from Iraq, the hurricane, etc.  The politics in this country won't be changed in a meaningful way.  You'll be right back to where Clinton was with Ken Starr, etc.  You'll still have Fox News, Rush and O'Reilly, the National Review, and whoever outlives Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice.

        There needs to be a revolution.  In the end, there will still be the Democrats and Republicans, but the country will be completely different.

    •  yes,this is much bigger than dem vs pug. (none / 1)

      this is ,the republic vs the empire.the bu$hco americaco. empire caused N.O., if the republic was in charge this deadly cluster f... would not have happened. we all need to see the big picture to even start to fix america.
    •  we've already garbled "liberal" (none / 0)

      because of the cold war fear of being called socialists. might as well make the other team's label toxic, regardless of the poli sci definitions.

      BTW don't you canucks have a right-wing progressive conservative party?

      surf putah, your friendly neighborhood central valley samizdat

      by wu ming on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:40:21 PM PDT

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      •  Yup. (none / 0)

        There used to be one party, the Progressive Conservatives (PC, but hardly politically correct). Then the more neo-con version split off (mostly based in Western Canada), and called itself the Reform party. The PCs were more old style Tories, who could have "red Tories" amongst them, like Dalton Camp. The Reform Party could never really get any traction - they were always perceived as regional. They morphed into the Alliance party, and then a couple of years ago, they merged with the PC party, effectively ending the Tory tradition and turning the party more toward the neo-con side. Many Tories are still very annoyed about this.

        Meanwhile, since the original split, the Liberal party has pretty much been seen as the "natural" governing party. And the left of centre party, the New Democrats, have had an up and down time of it. And then, of course, there's the Bloc Quebecois.

        I pray to God to be rid of God. - Meister Eckhart

        by mitumba on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 02:17:37 PM PDT

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  •  Can it work against Fox and Rush? (4.00 / 2)

    Fox News is on the air 24 hours a day. During most (not quite all) of that time it spews forth the most skillful, murderous, lying propaganda to help the right wing.

    Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are on the air via syndicated radio for (I think) three hours per day each. Many people listen to those entire shows every day, usually, I believe, keeping the sound on in the background of their daily activities. It's sort of like sleep learning. They aren't exactly paying attention, just soaking the stuff up like a sessile sponge in a red tide.

    Is it really possible to "make conservatism toxic" under that kind of a broadcast mismatch?

    I write this not to discourage anyone -- I think this is very important work -- but simply to suggest that some specific method is required to counter, or somehow incapacitate (not violently, but through legal means) those Republican propaganda outlets.

    I don't pretend to know how to do it, but I think it needs to be done.

    "This document is totally non-redactable and non-segregable and cannot even be meaningfully described." *

    by dratman on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:13:13 AM PDT

    •  You're so right (4.00 / 3)

      ...propaganda is such a big part of this.

      The right's infrastructure is not to be under-estimated.  I've read up on this - where the money comes from, and how the right-wing foundations and think-tanks have used their funds strategically, to develop and disseminate their propaganda - er, their ideas. Also, how they make a point of thinking long-term and nurturing the next generations of conservative leaders and follows.  Like it or not, they HAVE been better-funded and better-organized than the left.

      Can we compete against this?  Can we do it without becoming too much like them?  I certainly hope so, or I wouldn't waste my time even staying informed.  But I don't have any magic bullet answers, either.  

      What I do think, though, is that it's a continuous, long-term process, not a short-term fix.

      It is no worse, because I write of it. It would be no better, if I stopped my most unwilling hand.

      by ChaosMouse on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:04:19 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, it must work (none / 1)

      This is why I agree with Kid Oakland that now's the time to go all-out.  The delusion and dangerous behavior of 'conservatives' (BushCo) has been exposed so that even the Oprah/Access Hollywood/Inside Edition crowd can see it.  And what do Hannity and Rush have to say?  Crazy shit.  Bat shit crazy.  So crazy, even they aren't believing it.

      Now's the time to call them all out.  With us or against us time - are you in favor of giving dying babies water or are you a baby killer?  Do you support a leader who goes and plays golf instead of leading his people? Personal accountability my ass.

      'Conservatives' are on the wrong side.  Period.  The waters are as toxic as NO's industrial canal.  Direct confrontation and no mercy seems the proper approach.

  •  Great analogy (none / 0)

    I can see the pillbugs and roaches scurring for cover.
  •  Does this have any bearing on the discussion? (4.00 / 2)

    Since WWII, too many Americans have come to  believe that unlimited petroleum, unlimited shopping, and unlimited power and prestige on the world stage is their birthright. The attitude (which I saw over and over in the USAF) is that:
    ---
    1."We're the good guys. Always have been and always will be."
    1. "If you oppose us we'll shock and awe you into a lingering cloud of pink mist."
    2. "We don't need to do a thorough moral inventory and, when wrong, promptly admit it. For justification, see Rule 1."
    ---
    This is what M. Scott Peck observed in people "unwilling to bear the pain of personal responsibility."
    ---
    Military training is outdated. It focuses too much on dehumanizing people and institutionalizing some of the worst aspects of human nature. I  know because I spent 9 years in the military. The Bush administration has chosen to respond to the disaster in New Orleans with a military operation rather than a rescue operation. Some  potential consequences include:
    ---
    1.The control of information for political gain, so that media outlets cannot broadcast the full extent of the devastation. Same as what's happening in Iraq.
    2.Rebuilding efforts are "privatized" to real estate firms and corporations loyal to the Bush administration so that high revenue structures like casinos, hotels, and condos can replace the neighborhoods where poor people used to live.
    3.New Orleans becomes the focal point of racial strife and civil unrest.
    4.People who don't support "hurricane relief" and Bush's other efforts to "spread freedom" are treated like "insurgents."
    ---
    "Freedom" does not mean the same thing to Bush 43 as it did to Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight Eisenhower. It's time for Americans to realize that.
  •  I hope y'all don't mind (4.00 / 11)

    But wanted to cross post a comment I made on another thread...

    In 2001, when the towers were attacked, where was the Federal government?

    To be honest - nowhere to be seen.  The response to the tragedy was primarily local/regional.  For goodness sake, fighter planes weren't even scrambled.  Where was NORAD?

    For all the talk of W's response, the reality was that is was terrible.

    Hundreds - no, THOUSANDS of individual and departmental responders from the region: New York's boroughs, Long Island, Upstate NY, Connecticut, New Jersey- were there almost immediately.

    Rescue efforts began immediately.

    The region was not devastated the way it was with Katrina.  In this case, the region had no way to help New Orleans because, well, they had thier own problems.  The infrastucture of thousands of square miles has been decimated by Katrina. We are learning more about the rest of the region's problems as we speak.

    Beyond a bull horn speech on the ruble and the invasion of Afghanistan some weeks later, what was there REALLY that the federal government did?

    This disaster goes SO FAR beyond what happened on 9/11 that it truly underscores the problem with the current state of our Federal Government that so many have diaried about.

    The conservative wave and more recent neo conservative wave of tax cuts, services cuts, military adventurism, privatization, reliance on faith based initiatives, de-federalization of BASIC services, etc., has rendered our Federal Government as impotent and unable to provide any sort of rapid response relief for disaster.

    I am anticipating that as the months progress we will see another thing:  The conservative wave of the past 25 years has rendered our federal government unable to provide for intermediate and long term relief as well.

    What we will see in the coming months are the "thousand points of light" which will help the people of the Gulf region. It will be incredible, but story after story will come out about the 100's of thousands who will be left behind in the coming months.  We will see the Federal goverment at it's worst as the national guard and the military leaves, and Halliburton moves in.

    We will see that the infrastructure of the new deal and war on poverty is gone to beauracratic red tape, inefficiancy, waste, un targeted budget cuts, wholesale cuts, privatization and the like.

    Hopefully it will be the death knell of the supposed "compassionate conservatism" in this country.

    As religious and faithful as I am, I know that God alone will not provide.  God depends on us to provide.  God depends on us to care for the sick and homeless.

    And I, for one, expect and demand that the federal government be at the forefront of that effort in my name.

    •  9/11 (4.00 / 2)

      Yes (to repeat myself from elsewhere)--we need to make this connection explicit. One of the remarkable things about the Katrina horror and subsequent political debacle is the way it casts a new light and clarity over past Bush debacles, allowing us to see clear patterns of incompetence, failure, and empty gestures. Not only does Katrina put into stark relief all the analogous crimes and media mendacities surrounding Iraq, it also points back to Bush's defining "triumph," 9/11. For instance, now that the story of Bush using firefighters as props is gaining attention, it becomes very hard not to think of Bush's famous "bullhorn moment" as an equally cynical gesture. Some pundit has suggested that Katrina could be Bush's "anti-9/11." Instead, we might think of it as a brutal repetition of the same pattern: fatal neglect of a looming national threat, insufficient and disorganized federal response, empty politics-driven photo-ops, and egregious presidential buck-passing. Bush got away with it last time. It's up to us to make sure that doesn't happen again.

      Some photographic juxtapositions on this theme.

  •  Great diary KO... (4.00 / 2)

    "My Pet Rock"

    It's Obamazing!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Chamonix on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:29:52 AM PDT

  •  That's more like it, KO (4.00 / 4)

    I prefer action over hand-wringing, and this is the sort of galvanizing call to arms that I can identify with.  Your timing is impeccable, with Reid and Pelosi going on the attack today.

    In tragedy there is opportunity for improvement.  We must not flinch away from seizing this opportunity that the conservatives have handed us.

    Their fortunes have reversed, and we must work together to add momentum to that reversal.

    -AG

    "Watching George Bush trying to govern is like
    watching a monkey trying to f**k a football."
    I'm a libertarian, pro-2A capitalist Democrat.

    by AlphaGeek on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:30:52 AM PDT

  •  Obama...... (none / 0)

    I can proudly say I voted for him!

    Will the elite be happy living behind gated communities in the potential meltdown? Peace now. -7.00, -2.92

    by mattes on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:35:19 AM PDT

  •  Great metaphor (none / 0)

    I am so bloody tired of the utter selfishness that is at the root of the conservative ideology. We need to call them on it for the evil it has become. No dancing around the edges, afraid to give offense.

    Have we lost so much compassion that trying to build a better society is a task viewed with derision? God, I hope not.

  •  For Real and Substantial Social Change... (none / 0)

    You need a revolution every so often.

    I don't think we have anything like what the founding fathers intended when they fought their revolution.

    We're overdue.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:43:20 AM PDT

  •  I like the analogy- when you flip a rock (none / 1)

    you often find many slippery, crawly, slimy things that prefer darkness to light.

    Also, Sunday on Air America Randi Rhodes said that with Republicans "It's not compassionate conservatism, it's conservatism of compassion"

    "Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen." Mort Sahl

    by maggiemae on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 11:44:17 AM PDT