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  •  Violence? (2.18 / 11)

    These bastards have killed thousands.

    Fuck em.

    A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

    by ThunderHawk13 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:29:08 PM PDT

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    •  Considering... (4.00 / 2)

      ...I've just gotten my first 1 and 2 ratings EVER for my comment, I would say that a few don't agree with you.

      Then again I haven't been around that long so I imagine it was just a matter of time.

      I got rambling all on my mind.

      by Zergle on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 12:40:41 PM PDT

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    •  And therein (4.00 / 4)

      lies the problem for liberals...doling out "1s" for statement of the brutal truth.

      Again, I ask, how much blood is on the Rovian GOP's hands?  A river's worth?  A sea?  An ocean?

      A Gulf?

      You think the Rovians wouldn't hesitate to off anyone here if it would advance their cause?

      The first step towards dealing with these demons is understanding what you're up against.

      I'm not advocating violence.  I'm just alerting you to the nature of your enemy.

      You're dealing with people who revel in death and gore, as long as its not photographed.

      Go ahead.  Try to prove me wrong.

      A Vote For John Edwards Is A Vote For Yourself. Iowa Underground

      by ThunderHawk13 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:05:20 PM PDT

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      •  No (3.85 / 7)

        what you're doing is putting you adolescent fantasies at the top of a discussion that is so much better than that.

        Your saying..."hey folks look at me."

        My rating stands.

        Get involved...VOLUNTEER...yes.we.can.

        by kid oakland on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 01:07:53 PM PDT

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        •  FWIW (none / 1)

          I loved your diary.  The proper words always just seem to flow from you effortlessly and I envy that ability.

          BUT -- I didn't see the poster's comment as an attempt to hijack the quality of the discussion you began.

          "Fuck that, we need a change.  We need to flip the rock...and show all the world the insects that have been writhing and fattening themselves in the dirt beneath."

          The image of chipping away at the rock versus flipping it completely over all at once doesn't exactly summon a passive and gentle approach to my mind.  

          And besides, many of us have had our moments of "hey folks look at me." in the past -- haven't we?

          by busternjake on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 03:42:59 PM PDT

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      •  you know you are right (none / 0)

        ....the people who go green at the suggestion of a fight, whether bloody or just bloody verbaly are living in wonderland.

        They have no conception of the kind of people they are up against in this adm.

        I can understand their horror at violence..but I can't see the virtue in holding myself to be above it while I ask 20 year olds to go off to be killed and or assume the moral burden of  killing other humans and having to live with it for the rest of their lives.

        We protest people dying and killing for no good reason..but we pale at the suggestion that we should ever use our own violence to stop the people responsible for it?

        Violence is always the last resort for me, I would starve them out by withholding my taxes....but I have never read of or heard of any despot or dictator of evil King handing over his rule unless he was violently overwhelmed.

        Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

        by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 03:59:51 PM PDT

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        •  bullshit (none / 0)

          ....the people who go green at the suggestion of a fight, whether bloody or just bloody verbaly are living in wonderland.

          Fucking bullshit. You want to distinguish between a "fight" and "violence" here. Because I'll fight you fuckers on this blog right now. But I sure won't call for anybody to club you or throw rocks at your fucking head.

          You guys need to settle down and same goes for the fool that gave me the one. He must be off his medicine.

          In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

          by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 04:10:57 PM PDT

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          •  obviously you have an emotional problem (none / 0)


            ..you reply makes no sense and doesn't address anything I said.

            ..or are you so fruitcake you don't know the difference between a fight and just senseless violence?

            ..you seems overly concerned with your "ratings"...from us "fuckers" and "fools"

            ..get a grip on yourself.

            Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

            by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:00:14 PM PDT

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            •  We can't fix our political problems with violence (none / 0)

              I don't believe that.

              But looking closer at your comment I see that I was still responding to Zergle's original comment. And it was an emotional outburst. Sorry.

              In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

              by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 05:20:16 PM PDT

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              •  you're forgiven...lol (none / 0)

                ..but I am curious..and not "Advocating" violence....when I ask...what do you propose as a solution if nothing about democracy works to stop this road to facism and militarism? Bear in mind that these folks are using our own tools of democracy in a dishonest manner against us..that is how they have been able to do what they have done so far.

                Historicaly speaking, these type regimes once fully installed, have never been put down except by either outside military intervention from another state or popular domestic uprising.

                Again I am only asking...what your plan or solution is..if nothing else, like elections and various type of protest, don't work...because they don't seem to be working..or at least not fast enough.

                As I said I advocate starving them out by withholding taxes as the the best step in civil protest...if millions of people used the filing extension and paid their homage late it would send a huge message to the our kings and princes in DC.

                Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

                by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:11:52 PM PDT

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                •  I guess I don't think we are actually *that* close (none / 0)

                  to Fascism. Although I know buscho is fascist at heart. I guess I'm still holding out hope. We still do have free speech. I know FOX and CNN and crap have us drowned out, but we can still freely have discussions like this and freely be involved in politics.

                  America is large and diverse. I think of it more like the Roman Empire than say Nazi Germany. I think it will be difficult for them to exercise complete control over the populace.

                  However, our prosperity may be in serious decline, we may be attacked by our enemies (or even new ones) because bushco is just a bunch of incompetent cronies.

                  I do believe in self-defense. If we're attacked, I think Americans will join the army and fight, and be violent, absolutely. We might be defeated.

                  I just can't see us becoming an insurgency. If it broke down that bad, all bets are off, that's for sure. When it's just survival, it's just survival. Bushco sucks, we have to stop them. But they have all the firepower. We have to turn the other cheek, so to speak. That's what I believe. And thanks for asking.

                  In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                  by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:33:35 PM PDT

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                  •  well, I hope you are right (none / 1)

                    ..but because I am old..well, not on my last leg old, but old enough to have seen a large share the world of politics and business and society.....I feel we might be closer than we think....

                    I am not promoting my diary, I don't post much because I find most everything has already been said, but you might want to read this excerpt from a book that contains a real lesson about how easily normal people can slip into ignoring warning signs..

                    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/7/41944/27762

                    Hypocrisy in anything may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it....

                    by Cal45 on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 07:27:44 PM PDT

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                •  Withholding taxes is a good protest idea (none / 0)

                  But getting the millions of people to participate might be tough, nowadays anyway, it could change in the future.

                  I agree protests have not been working. But I think boycotts have not been working either.

                  In God we trust. All others must pay cash.

                  by yet another liberal on Wed Sep 07, 2005 at 06:47:02 PM PDT

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